Compulsive lying disorder, also known as pseudologia fantastica or mythomania, is a condition that describes the behavior of a habitual liar.
While compulsive lying disorder is actually not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), except as a symptom of factitious disorder, many psychiatrists and psychologists consider it a distinct mental disorder.
In the past two decades countless hours of research and multiple papers have been written regarding this issue, though it remains one of the most under researched psychiatric conditions. Individuals with the disorder simply cannot stop themselves from misrepresenting the truth.
People with the disorder are not able to control their lies and experience no guilt regardless of how the lies may affect themselves and others. The lack of guilt is frequently the result of the fact that the individual becomes so caught up in the lie that they are telling, they begin to believe it themselves. If confronted with a lie they have told in the past or one that they are presently telling, they will be insistent that they are speaking the truth.
Over time, the individual will become so adept at lying that it will be very difficult for others to determine if they are, in fact, telling the truth. There are no exact figures regarding the number of people that suffer from this disorder, but has been found to be equally common in men and women and usually becomes very apparent in the late teens.
The defining characteristics of compulsive lying disorder are:
- The stories told are not entirely improbable and often have some element of truth. They are not a manifestation of delusion or some broader type of psychosis: upon confrontation, the teller can admit them to be untrue, even if unwillingly.
- The fabricative tendency is long lasting; it is not provoked by the immediate situation or social pressure as much as it is an innate trait of the personality.
- A definitely internal, not an external, motive for the behavior can be discerned clinically: e.g., long-lasting extortion or habitual spousal battery might cause a person to lie repeatedly, without the lying being a pathological symptom.
- The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. For example, the person might be presented as being fantastically brave, knowing or being related to many famous people.
Dike, Charles C. (June 1, 2008). Pathological Lying: Symptom or Disease? 25 (7).
Currently, there are several theories as to what causes an individual to develop compulsive lying disorder. There has been research completed that indicates it is the result of neurological imbalance, particularly in the frontal lobe. A study published in the British Journal of Psychiatry reported that pathological liars have an increase in the amount of white matter in the brain predisposing them to the condition. The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences reported that brain scans had found that those with this disorder suffered from right hemithalamic dysfunction. There are also various psychiatric theories regarding the cause.
Many psychiatrists and psychologists believe that individuals with low self-esteem who are looking, whether knowingly or unknowingly, for attention, popularity, love, or to cover up a failure are prone to developing the disorder. Finally, there is speculation that it is a reaction to childhood trauma or neglect or failure of the parents to establish realistic limits and provide guidance. It is important to note that many experts believe that habitual lying is a symptom of a larger personality disorder including borderline personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder.
As a result of not being included in the DSM-IV, there is no actual diagnostic criteria for a compulsive liar. However, many psychiatrists and psychologists will diagnosis based on behavioral patterns as reported by loved ones and through observation of the individual. There is no magic cure for this disorder. Therapy can be beneficial to the sufferer if they will admit that there is an actual problem. If the person does not recognize that they suffer from this condition, therapy will be of no consequence.
There are treatment options for this disorder, but they can only be effective if the compulsive liar agrees to treatment. In most cases, friends and family will have to learn to adapt to the situation in order to maintain a relationship. As you are probably aware, compulsive lying disorder can have a tremendous effect on the sufferer as well as those that care about them.
If therapy is initiated it will likely be geared towards the addictive aspect of the disorder as well as helping the person understand their behavior and how it impacts others. Later, there will be measures taken to help the individual change their way of thinking. Some psychiatrists may prescribe antidepressants to treat underlying issues with depression and self-esteem. Also, the prescription of anti-anxiety medications may be used to decrease the feelings of anxiety that may unconsciously prompt the individual to lie.
Again, it must be noted that therapy will only help the individual if they admit they do have a problem. Maintaining a relationship of any kind with a person suffering from compulsive lying syndrome can be complicated. In fact, relationships are almost certain to end without the involvement of a trained third party, such as a therapist.
Loved ones can benefit from attending therapy and counseling with the sufferer and individually. This allows them to gain insight into the disorder, express their feelings openly, and bring up important issues such as trust without the sufferer feeling as if they are being attacked. There is no guarantee that a relationship will survive, but the chances are increased with the amount of energy that is out into treatment.
Compulsive lying disorder is a complicated condition that requires a great deal of effort and determination on the sufferer to change their behaviors. Ultimately, it is entirely up to the person with the disorder as to whether or not they are able to regain their ability to tell the truth consistently.
I may have this conidtion but am not entirly convinced that I do but better be safe then sorry so would like to maybe get my self checked out to see if I do have this or not. maybe helping to talk about whats happened in my past could determin if I have this or not.
Same here Ramesh.
I didn’t know it was a problem….I just searched it. I never let myself admit it but I lie. Constantly, unnecessarily…. sometimes I think I can control it…. but it gets away from me….. and I’m just so good at it… its sickening really….I can make people believe the most ridiculous things…..I want to stop…. sometimes I even believe my own lies…. my brain lets me believe I’m an honest person…. but I want to face a mirror… and I want to know who I am when I’m honest.
When I read your words, I feel I am reading my own story. I also didn’t know that any such disorder exists. I really wanna get rid of this thing. Like you, I too want to face the mirror.
I had a friend with this condition. He was the nicest guy ever. He#d do antything to help you out. But he lied. He lied about everything. We used to joke that he didn’t even exist because he lied about his very existence. I know that’s mean. But it ultimately cause all of his relationships to flounder. His lies were so transparent and omnipresent that people stopped caring for him. His relationships would last maybe one year before people got fed up and distanced themselves from him. I was one of those people. I hope he seeks help. He needs it. Again, he’s the nicestguy ever. I guess I’m just not strong enough to deal with such a person. Good luck my friend.
I just got out of a relationship with a man, who, I am now convinced. probably fabricated the core of his very existence. I mean from his marital status, to what he had for lunch to who he has lunch with. Unbelievable. I just had to block him out
OMG… I just went thru a similar situation!!! I just told my ex/friend to never call me again. His lies were just getting out of hand. He is a great person but OMG the lies!!! He’d lie just to hurt me & see if I still care… He’d lie about the smallest thing, when he didn’t have to. It was very frustrating!!!
good for you. it is best to not talk to these pathological liars, they will drive you crazy with their constant lies. most times they tend to be abusers who like to play mind games. these types are very insecure about themselves and so they lie to make the other person think they something that they are not. they’re false, imposters and not who they say they are. they enjoy playing mind games galore. these types cannot be trusted never. so if you ever meet one …run the other way fast and don’t look back. they will cause great havoc in your life with their lies. break off any ties with these liars and don’t talk to them. you’ll be happier you did this.
I feel you are being too hard on people who have a real illness. Would you say those things about someone with paranoia? My son is one of “those” whom you so cruely speak of and he has put our family through hell over the past 12yrs. He left home @ 16 and spread horrible lies about being abused unloved etc,he even told people he was adopted but was so cluless cause his brother worked at the same place… duh how can you not get caught? We did not speak for 12 yrs His sister kept in touch with him so I at least knew he was o.k. One day he called and acted like nothing ever happened. He is “better”now and we have a beautiful granddaughter. we love our son, always did, always will. He loves his g/f and adores his baby girl. They are not monsters. They are sick.I do agree they inflict severe pain on others but they suffer much more. I’m not saying it is easy but I like my life better with my son in it.
I am happy that it worked for you and your son. Most people are deeply injured by such a person who compulsively lies. The injured people deserve compassion and a fair chance to vent and to heal. They don’t need harsh scoldings. That is what is called re-victimization.
I have a sister with this condition. She will not seek help, as she still refuses to acknowledge she even lies. I have put up with her my whole life, and I was able to make excuses, ignore her lies, and I also forgave her for stealing from me consistently. She does not seem to have the ability to deal with things internally. I suspect she lies to herself to get out of feeling strong emotions or guilt. I now have to completely cut her out of my life because her lies have cost me relationships with other family members, including her daughters. I am not even sure what she tells others about me, but I have the most awkward remarks thrown my way by other people after they have talked to her. They don’t make any sense to me because she is so good at lying. I wish her well, but I don’t think at this late stage she will get help, as she does not even acknowledge she has a problem.
I also have been victiized. My husband’s youngest son told people that his nephew was suffering from cancer and rather than suffer a slow lingering death drove his car off a bank and committed suicide. The nephew never did this at all. It was totally fabricated; however, this lie was so well played out (even crying and moaning, etc.) that it was believed. My husband ran into the individual who had been so lied to and she asked about the suicide that did not happen. What a huge surprise. The nephew is well and very much alive. Who could make up such an enormous lie? What is wrong with someone like that. Also the lie about having a military veteran when it did not happen. I do not understand this behaviour as it is so foreign to me. I just do not get those type of people.
How do you help them get better I’m at my witts end
I know someone who lies constantly or embellishes stories, is an alcoholic and compulsive eater.
Thats describes my brother too a tee. Im very sick and he still steals, constantly lies about everything, constantly eats and drinks alcohol. I was very close to him but now not so much. I cant take it anymore. I dont no what too do.
Laura, I would love to be able to chat with you sometime. I have a 17 year old daughter who has this illness and it is very upsetting the lies she tells about us. Nobody I know understands. If you would rather not I understand. Thank you for sharing your story and giving me some hope for things to get better.
My daughter is 15 and has told so many lies about me as a mother and about her sisters. I’m glad I am not the only one who knows how painful it is to have complete strangers look at you like you are a monster when you have done nothing wrong. She was abused by her biological father when she was little and I think that is why she does this but it’s so painful to love her so much and never be able to trust her. I don’t want to lose her but I can’t keep letting her hurt our family and break my heart. I don’t know what to do with her to help. Therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist have all been manipulated by her. She has no conscience. I just wanted my baby to have a normal life and be happy. I don’t see that now.
Thank you for sticking up for those people like myself and your son. I went through a fair amount of abuse as a child and thats what actually led to me having this lying disorder. I’m having interpersonal problems with some of my loved ones and am now seeking help. Im not a horrible person, but it really feels like it sometimes. I’m always caught in my lies and can never admit to it in the moment. But after contemplation and deep thinking, I can realize that I’m not telling the truth, bit now its already ingrained in my brain, so I can’t remember what the truth is….
my ex had to wives, after 4 1/2 yrs I left him he cheated on me so many times with strippers, he gave me herpies, he lied about work he worked in center city phila and come home over Tacony bridge he worked in phila why did he go into n.j. to see strippers, he lied about sparkles I found in his bed my therapist said ITS THE GAS LITE EFFECT a old movie about a guy driving his wife crazy, it still hurts lied straight to my face all the time
I know what you mean Jessica – I am with one right now. It is awful I see he is doing it to “ruffle my feathers” or something to push my buttons to see how far he can go. I feel very eery around him. The sad part is that he can be very funny and charming and keeps me hanging in there bu I do not see it lasting long.
If my partner tells me its daylight,I will go outside just to check….I am dealing with a man who when we met,was the absolute love of my life and now,a year later,im dealing with a man who cheats over and over on me,lies about everything from where he’s been,who he has been with etc etc etc…when confronted his anger is immediate even when I have 100% proof that whatever the “lie of the moment” is,is infact completely untrue or half untrue….I stay because I love him (although what I considered to be unconditional love on my behalf,im not sure I can actually maintain)
He is not only a compulsive liar , womanizer and ice user,he is now a petty theif without a job anymore and all bills are my responsibility…. He says I need help and that I need to look at myself…..logically I know what I should do and im finding myself spending all my time investigating his every movement,like a private investigator ,its exhausting but more often than not im right ….. Im just soo confused.as he xan be charming and says ge loves me all the time… but how do I know if that is true or if he is that good at manipulation that he convinces me to stay….and as the only income earner and he having lost pretty much everyone else,how can I know if ive just been played from the start……soo upset,confused ,angry,but still in love…..
He sounds like a compulsive liar/narcissist in one! You probably need to get out of the relationship before you go crazy, or help him to get some help
He doesnt sound like a compulsive liar to me. Compulsive lying is a real mental condition. Your guy sounds like a run of the mill low life crumb. He lies, cheats, and steals from yiu because you let him. He need only to tell you he loves you to confuse you? Even though you know for sure he lies, cheats, etc. etc. Sounds like its you that should consider talking to a professional. Maybe find out why your sense of self worth is nonexsistent. Find out what happened in ur life that has you allowing some douche dead beat treating you like you dont matter at all.
Seems to me that one is likely to have a grossly distorted image of a former lover, especially after you’ve broken up with him.
Come on, did he really lie about what he had for lunch?
Don’t you mean that you don’t trust him so much that you wonder that he might lie about that, too?
So he lied to you about his marital status. a lot of people do that. we lie about our age too. Oscar Wilde said that women who tell the truth about their ages are utterly untrustworthy, that a woman who would tell the truth about that would tell anyone anything.
Men often lie to make themselves seem more accomplished than they really are, oh, back in high school i rebuilt a 1963 Harley! or, I went to Yale!
While women tend to lie to spare people’s feelings.
On the other hand, in my experience, women lie a lot about sex, lie about their number of partners especially. One time a woman that I was having an affair with, said, “I can’t believe I’ve been faithful to Paul for two years now!”
No lie.
And how many guys have been told, “I’ve never cheated on my husband!” or boyfriend, when the woman has cheated on him with you?
I believe he lies about what he had for lunch because my brother does. He will say he had mcdonalds for lunch but really he had kFC. He lies. Steals and makes up stories obout friends and loved ones and when he gets cought in a loe he makes up an excuse or will say it is yrue u just dont remember. Its crazy and i cant deal with it anymore.
I married a man who I didn’t know had illegally married another woman in another state. He was a missionary for the church. He left the US every two weeks for his missionary trips and had another wife/life. He was a charmer and a good talker. Very likable by people. I just didn’t know what a liar he was. After we married, I found him in an affair with a married woman. Which of course he lied about. He didn’t just lie about being unfaithful. He lied about everything. Small things. Did he drink the glass of wine? He would say he didn’t..well, I know Fido (our dog) didn’t do it. He would lie compulsively about just about anything. It takes a lot of energy to try to set boundaries with someone like this because they lack personal boundaries. Period.
My life has been chaos with him. I am finally realizing who he is. I filed for a divorce and I feel very good about getting and staying away from him for the rest of my life.
Our best friend of six years lies about everything, from attending law school (he doesn’t practice law), to where he really lives, to having a girlfriend, who we havent met in six years. The mail lady, who knows him, says that he is lying about everything, even that he works or has a car, yet he is very handsome, fit, tall, and lovely to be around. He is the happiest person we know, and never has a bad day. We’re ready to confront him about some major issues with us, but don’t know how to do this. When I tried one time, he got explosive but was contrite the next day. We are waking up to his incredibly well-hidden secret life. What would you do?
i think my current boyfriend has the very same problem too……………and i still dont know what to do about him…he lies so amazingly its driving me crazy
I have a friend who is a carbon copy of this – in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the same guy. Does his name rhyme with Mali Graw? Been friends with him for half a decade and am probably extremely disappointed in him once a month. He’s late for everything – not 15, not a half hour – usually a good full hour. Sometimes doesn’t show up to things. When he does show up – if he gets bored or something better comes along – he promptly lies and goes on his way. Never seems to be fazed by any of his lying – shows no emotion like hes doing anything wrong. Can be the nicest guy sometimes – would give you the shirt off his back. He just fails in so many departments of what being a good friend is. I’ve basically given up on him – but he keeps slithering back into my life – through contacting my GF and figuring out where I am. She’s too nice to say no – so he eventually tracks me down. I’ve confronted him many times – one time in a group situation at a cottage where he decided to leave unannounced to see a Blue Jay game. Would be helpful to know what is wrong with this guy….as I’m pretty sure we won’t be friends much longer.
I feel like you do/did Jed. I care so much, but being hurt just as much if not more by the lies. We’ve been through so much and made it through but this is proving to be to much. It just never stops, the lies. Its over everything. Things that don’t even matter either way. I try and explain this to him, “You don’t have to lie about this, whatever it is, it’s ok. I’m not going to be upset.” I try to make it a comfortable environment for him to feel safe to just tell the truth, but it never matters. Thinking that if he feels safe from ridicule, anger, or judgement it may help him stop lying about the little thing and it could have a trickle down effect that he will feel more comfortable to be truthful about the bigger lies. He’ll comfort me when he finds me cry alone later when I go off to deal w/my own feelings, (well thinking I’m alone) then in one breath swearing on his children and mother he’ll never do it again and never lie about whatever it was again in then do it again the very next day. How long do you have to stay being mistreated (emotionally), hurt, and your feelings completely ignored by them before you leave. It’s hard to leave because you love them you know they are genuinely good hearted but trust is not something you’ll ever be able to have with them. I feel like its causing me to have emotional problems afraid of what’s going to come up next he’s been lying about and how much worse is it going to be. Sadness to the point of depression, worry to the extent of anxiety attacks, and hurt feelings that are causing emotional detachment and push away anything that has to do with affection between each other.
Dear, I’m in the same situation.
It hurts me too much, I got the same feeling like yours now.
Today he lies & swear never lie again, but after two days he lies again. It’s been a year he stay tge same.
I am lost, I can’t trust him anymore but I feel sorry with his condition.
yes – I just discovered a “friend” has this or seems to. I called her on it and she went into – “I never lied, I am a Child of the Most High Gd, Gd sees all…” I said yes, you are, and you lied.
wow – it’s really heartbreaking – and she has no remorse.
My fiance is like this and am just about had it with him. He tells me he is going to do something to make me happy and then runs and does something with his family. Then when I confront him about it he tells me that his dad was sick which I always forgive him there. It is always a lie after a lie. Caught him good yesterday and just can’t take it any more. Dam liar
My partner talks constantly. When we are alone, he tells me the same stories over and over again. Things that happened when he was a child or jobs that he did (construction) with people I don’t know and will never know who are no longer in his life…and when I tell him that I heard the story, he continues to tell me. Then he branches off into other people related to that person, etc. I am polite and kind and have nicely talked to him about his condition and he acknowledges it and carries on.
When “new” people are around (fresh ears) he gets over excited and talks even more and constant, hijacking every conversation, interrupting people, telling the same old stories, even though people say, “I KNOW….YOU TOLD ME”….and he DOES NOT STOP.
I talk to him about how he is driving people away. I let him know that I am helping him and not judging him, because he is boring and always doing this. People are openly turned off, including his family.
I am ready to hit the road. I am always trying to find the good in him, but this talking obsession has killed my love for him.
It is getting worse because his need to heighten the drama causes him to brag, exaggerate and lie. AND it is obvious. He makes bold statements that people know are not true and everyone is uncomfortable.
We just spent a few days with family and friends and before we got together I talked to him about listening, being polite and interested in what others had to say. To refrain from taking center stage and talking about himself and his entire life story…He said over and over again that he was going to try. He did okay for a while. He was sweating and fidgeting. As soon as the “new” people left and we were around my family, he talked until their ears bled. I nudged him and reminded him when we were alone that he was killing our weekend (and this is my adult children coming for a visit). They have heard these boring stories and know that they are being embellished.
He brags all the time too. If talked about having a Porsche, he had a Lamborghini.
Fewer and fewer people come to visit. No one calls him anymore. I am embarrassed to take him places with me and I am a public figure in the art world. When I do a presentation, I must ask him to NOT TALK….or not come. Lately he hasn’t been coming, because he is verbally inappropriate.
I am really sad. My feelings for him are pretty much gone…and I tried very hard to work with him on this.
Lately he has been getting disoriented with driving simple places…and he makes up a story when I ask him why he is getting lost (going to the store, he heads out of the driveway in the wrong direction) and he says that it’s because the GPS usually takes him that way….(IT NEVER DOES and we do not use it for going to local places)….
He is getting worse. His father had a lifetime of dementia and was on lithium his entire life and his mother is also mentally unstable.
I am thinking (after 8 years) that I must face it and move on….because the stress of trying to keep him balanced is not working….and he refuses to get help.
🙁
Your story hit a deep chord within me because my situation is so similar. I have went through the same efforts (for eight years) of trying to help my husband and nothing ever really changes. I am curious if you are still trying and if it has improved or did you finally throw in the towel. I realize this post was written some time back and you may be long over this but was really wondering how the situation ended because it is so similar to my own….Shelia
It is very similar to my story as well. I don’t want to say anything bad about him but I’m just so frustrated, it seems hopeless
It never ever ends . After 28 years it’s cut a deep wound in ky heart that’s so unexplainable. Leave as soon. As possible. I feel like u have list a large chunk of my life over a very sick person
I have been lying for as long as I can remember. I am diagnosed with mood disorders and ADHD and GAD. I am on medications for all but that does not help my lying. I just got caught in a big one today. I lie to everyone about everything. I don’t think there is a person in my life that I do not lie to every time I see them. I am so scared of the people I actually care about catching me. The person today I don’t care about. I made up having twins and being a mom and all the things that go along with that. I have always wanted to be a mother. I love kids and I took it really far with the lie. I pretended that my best friends kids were my kids and went with that. I knew in the back of my head that it was too big a lie to not eventually get caught but I did it anyway. I cannot remember the last time I had been caught. It is very rare. But now I am scared as hell the people I do care about will find out things I have lied about and I do not want that. I want to not get caught in any of the lies I have told thus far and I want to just be truthful from now on. I am going to practice telling many small truths and hope that helps. ;/
Your strategy will not work. You must come clean eventually or it will all collapse on it’s self. I found that rather than telling small truths, you need to start calling yourself out when you catch yourself telling small lies. Sometimes it happens and you realize just after, you just have to say, out loud, “that was a lie. I have a tendency to embellish stories that I’m trying to work on”. You say that you’re caught rarely, but really, everyone knows and no one calls you out.
Once you’ve managed to stop lying constantly, when an old lie is brought up, just be honest. “I was a compulsive liar for many years, I’ve managed to stop, but when I told you that, I was lying.” If people care about you, they will forgive you.
“Outing” myself, shaming myself, by stopping and confessing the lie does not work. I have tried that MANY times but it never helped me quit. It just humiliated me so badly that I was that much more careful not to get caught in the future. But getting caught? I must be a truly splendid liar, then, because I don’t GET caught. My lies are not fantastical or extreme exaggerations…mostly little lies that portray me in a better light or cause people to be impressed with me. I can trace the origins back to my childhood, and can even understand the reasons it all started, but I’m 67 now and I’ve done it all my life. I’ve always been able to look a person square in the eyes and lie to them. My problem? I HATE lying. It’s TOTALLY unnecessary. It brings no special reward with it. I am loved and accepted by my family and friends, who would love and accept me even if I told the truth, so why do I lie? I read somewhere that compulsive liars don’t feel guilt about their lies. Well THAT is not true, or I am an exception to the rule, because I DO feel guilt about it and am constantly asking myself “WHY DID I SAY THAT?” I really really REALLY hate lying, but I can’t stop.
Thank you for sharing what must have been a difficult truth to share. I have a daughter who lies. Lies about everything but really seems to believe whats she says. I wish I could understand why she does it. Her lies for the most part are to make others feel sorry for her so she knows they care. They can and have cause some serious consequences for innocent family members.
My daughter has always done this, usually about me to others, but a few months prior to her 18th bday, she decided she wanted to live with family (bio father’s fam) in a different state, but she thought I’d make her wait until she was 18 or maybe she just didn’t want to tell me, so she started lying, and eventually came up with one that caused so much concern, that all 5 of my other children, from 1WK old to 7yrs, were put in foster care. And she refused to speak to me, until recently, as long as I don’t bring up anything that has to do with CPS, because she is “tired of dealing with it”..yet all of her siblings are separated and being raised by strangers, and will likely continue to be unless I decide to persecute myself and others, who are completely innocent. I am not capable of protecting my children, because I don’t believe that these things happened..because they didn’t, along with so many other absurd Stories she has conjured up, over the course of her life in order to get pity, justify her unwillingness to try things she might not be good at, and to manipulate situations into what she wants them to be.
So, yes, I so get it, and I love her more than life itself, but it has literally cost me my life, my children, their lives, and any future chance at happiness.
Hi there
Your story so hits home with mine. I too have 5 children which two of them are in foster care for almost 3 years now. I lived with their father who was a compulsive lier for 20 years. I don’t know if it is genetics or if it is learned behavior or it could be both all 5 of my children lie. I was surround by a bunch of liers, I never knew who was telling the truth. I felt like such the outsider in my own home. it got so bad that I couldn’t disapline children for their behavior because it would cause a hotline call. Once my oldest child discovered all she had to do is go to school and make up something about her getting in trouble for something at home. For example my oldest had disrespected me one night so I told her to hand over her phone. She wasn’t willing it became a tuggawar with her phone next day she went to school and told her counselor I hit her when I never did I should have by the way she disrepected me but I thought taking her phone away would have more of an impact on her, boy was I wrong. Every time I tried to give appropriate consequences to my children it alway came with hotline call. I used to tell my kids your going to get yourselves taken away they didn’t believe me. So long story short this went on for years till the point where oldest daughter one night became very violent because dad turns off tv because chores weren’t done. It got so bad that dad had to restrain her and my other 2 oldest daughter jumped their dad knocking him to the floor then oldest grabs a knife and stabs him dad in the back. now the police come and she saying she feared for her life is why she stabbed. now CPS comes and take all 5 kids ages 17, 16, 15, 8 and 6. Oldest daughter runs from placement never to return to their care cause mom and dad protect her next thing I know getting call from my second oldest that she is now on the run. Long story short she retuned to CPS ran again returned and ran again then she turned 18 now she and her oldest sister have aged out no longer part of case. Still 3 remain in care next oldest is with her grandmother 2 youngest are in foster care and lies just keep coming almost 3 year later. I am still fighting the system but I can seem to fight against all these lies. So they are trying to terminate my rights and adopt out my 2 youngest. All based on lies this just hurts ms so bad. Now the older 2 daughter say how they wished they had listened and behaved like I tried to teach them.
Hello. I am a compulsive liar. i try to tell the truth,but i lie so easily. and sometimes i dint even need to lie, but i just make up stories about stuff that happens with friends constantly just because. i was admitted to St.helena’s pysch hospital in januar/feburary of 2014. they said i have anxiety, i knew that i would panic and sometimes get such a panicked feeling that i couldnt thhink right. and i would feel like i had tonthrow up but i didnt know it was anxiety.i have never felt guilt for my lies except one time. there was a boy i dated. he sacrificed alot for me,even his friendships and relationship with his family. he became sucidial because i would mess his up brain so much. they sent him to a pysch hospital and when he came out he was completely different. he broke up with me. we had dated since middleschool a total of one year and 6 months. when he left me,i began to realize how much he had done for me and how i lied about every single thing. recently i was supposed to start my sophmore year in high school. but i had stolen my friends sistersphone. they caught me and my mom took me out of the school before the first day even started bc she knew i was going to get bullied there. my bestfriend is friend with that girl. she hasnt spoken to me since they took the phone back. i dont have any friends anymore. new school. and yet no matter how much i say i will stop lying, i simply cant.
What can be done with a compulsive attractive male always a positive, upbeat person who lies about virtually everything? We asked him to be executor of our will, and
he would inherit the entire estate. He never answered us because he had something to hide and the estate wasn’t worth revealing his true identity to us. He has, after six years of “friendship” started to take more and more from us-we entertain him in great style, give him all sorts of valuable belongings (trio sets of high quality golf clubs, food we buy for him; we suspect that he’s hurting for funds), but to him we are a cash cow. He does walk our dogs and has never raised the price in six years. He also does things for us like take the trash out. Still, he we are convinced that he has a photographic memory, and by now we are hearing some Freudian slips. This man could be a contestant on Jeopardy, he is so well-read, yet he says that he works (sometimes at home if we need him to help with a dog), all day at a department store ferreting out as a manager those customers accused of thievery. I have seen him, an obsessive runner) on the street in the day, and once (we have seen him in a car only once in six years), he was exiting a place where he said he didn’t live. He said that my spouse had a birthday present that never came. He is harmless. Does he know he’s a fantastical liar ?
I have been married to someone for 33 years that has been a chronic, compulsive liar. He says inappropriate things to everyone. He is on a constant pursuit of sex.I feel as if I have wasted my life. He has this overwhelming fascination with the military, he was in, got kicked out after 9 months 13 days for not being adaptable to military life. He somehow still gets to go to the VA for treatment, vet refuses to tell mental health officials what is truly going on with him. He sits at any location or event that is vet related and brags he was in wars he never was.He is 53 and has had at least 60 jobs in his life. I don’t know what to do anymore. He has made comments about being able to kill people and not leave a trace, drug in black garbage bags that look like body bags, saws, a shovel(we live in an apartment) and because of never catching up, my child and I have no way to leave. What do I do? I am at the end of my rope. He steals also, lots. If he wants it, he takes it. Any ideas about whats going on with him?
Lisa,
Just read your story regarding your husband in the military. I had a similar experience with myself. For the last last 14 years I’ve convinced my wife, kids, and friends that I had been in Viet Nam. I was never in Viet Nam, I spent 3 years in Germany. I also had everyone convinced that I had been a police officer (I was not) Just recently I came “clean” and told my wife that I had not been in Viet Nam nor was I a police officer. I have also told kids this. Now the weird thing is these two items are the only thing I’ve lied about. I really feel ashamed of myself. My wife has forgiven me but there is a trust issue that will take time to reestablish. How has things worked out for you? Hope there has been some peace between you and your husband. Thanks, Gary
Hy gary I had this problem and some times I fell completely lost in the world is very dificult to us, if you want to talk to me about may we can help us.. I have developed some tecnics to try keep this under control.
He sounds narcissistic and sociopathic lacking empathy. You could talk to a therapist or psychiatrist and do your own research online and in books on narcissism, sociopath, and psychopaths. I have been involved with similar people and learn a lot through readings about their unusual personalities when they are out of character. Support groups help too when you realize what kind of personality disorder you are dealing with.
I really need to get a grip on my compulsive lying . it makes me look like a complete idiot because months of ridiculous lies have been exposed.
I have this lying disorder and I know it – I lie to everybody, Even the people I care for so much. I try to tell the truth but I can’t. I lie a lot, from little situations to huge things. I don’t lie about everything, but I lie about a lot of things, the only things I didn’t lie about are the reasons I think I have this damn thing (childhood, neglect from my parents). Everybody thinks I’m this nice sweet trustable girl, I’m not. (well, I don’t go telling all there secrets and stuff) but I do lie about myself. I told so many shit and today my “best friend” finally confronted me about it.. She told me she hated me, that she wished we never became friends.. But yeah. I need to seek some help, where do I go???
i read your post…I am glad you believe that you have a problem and with that attitude I believe you can recover Sia McKinley.
Please do not give up, please do what you can to change, but most importantly don’t give up.
It encouraged me to read what you wrote. It makes me believe that perhaps my old girlfriend can help herself also…but alas, I cannot imagine it because she has not come to the place that you have (self awareness).
So your friend has actually helped you, and my wish for you is that you work at it just like you just did by writing your post and seeking answers.
I have come to value the truth so much more now. I am determined to continue to work on lying also, that is to not embellish or twist or shade the truth. I am also learning that my best defense has been to learn to be less talkative. I was never actually garrulous, but I had my moments. So my first “breakthrough” was to become a “quiet” man. When I get excited or am around a lively talkative friendly crowd then I relapse into lying, exaggerations, embellishments…but at least I can recognize them more and more as they come out. I have even stopped, immediately afterwards and said out loud “…oh my god, that wash´t true, why did I just say that…” It is embarrassing as hell, but I am getting better…I know it.
Good luck and thank you for being honest. LOOK, you took a good step, you “came-out,” you diid more than many would be able too.
Your friend may not be recoverable, all of my old “friends” have washed their hands of me, but I am confident that what friends I do make in the future will be as a result of improvements I make in trying to be forth coming, straight-forward, better person, when it comes to dealing with others.
It has not been easy, and I stumble more than i stride…but I hope.
I have found Buddhist Meditation to help a lot…not so much the religious side, but the meditation part, which requires certain, internal, personal changes (ethically).
My best wishes for you, Sia, don’t give up, be patient with yourself, seek out more answers just like you did here.
I was with a compulsive liar for 4 years. It was only at “the end” that I was made aware of it. At that point all the craziness and insanity “made sense.”
I cannot bear to go into the details even though the relationship ended 3 years ago…I am still “traumatized” (like PTS) and have a difficult time trusting others, especially women, in general.
Easy enough to realize that my present “paranoia” is dysfunctional and based on the “trauma” I suffered at her hands. I have confidence that, with time, I will “recover,” fully.
What troubles me now is that I see that she has not changed, in fact she has continued to the point that she was physically injured by her last “lover,” and I fear that some day she will not escape the inevitable. I have read that some of these (mythomaniacs or whatever they really are) end up in prison or hurt by others because of their actions (the lies).
i stay in close contact with my old love´s grandparents. By the stories they tell it is easy to surmise that she is lying, again, to them. They are very old and at her mercy and I worry.
She has chosen the path of criminality for a long and has associations with such people. I myself am no saint, and we were, ourselves, involved in much nefarious enterprises. I am confident that I deserved everything I suffered at her hands because I was involved in bad things involving others too. I regret my actions and behaviors of the past. Ending up with a person like her taught me a thing or two about myself and my own values, selfishness and irresponcible ways. My life has improved, but more importantly, the way I treat OTHERS has improved. I was the “perfect” match for a CL…I had all this coming…and I am lucky to be on my feet again. I lost everything because of her…material things and friendships with others even family members.
I am working to be a better person as a result.
I was a liar too, but did not really see it until all this happened.
The problem is that she is still at it, obviously (from what I hear), but now she has a little 2 year old son. How will he fare?
I still care for her, rather, I pity her. Her childhood was a nightmare. At age seven she was put with her grandparents, as her mother was finally imprisoned for her own crimes (she was a full time prostitute and involved in other much more serious crimes herself).
I only got the “whole” story from the grandparents afterwards. Which was a “filling-in” of the blanks.
It is all simply heartbreak…I have no answers, only this story of my own involvement with such a person as some of you have.
Lucky for me all of this took (and is taking) place thousands of miles away…she is german citizen living in Berlin and I am back her in the states on the west coast.
My mother has been identified with three different personality disorders: Intermittent explosive disorder, Compulsive lying disorder, and Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Her intermittent explosive disorder pairs with her dissociative identity disorder and creates a personality that is split between a child-like angry personality or a ‘somewhat’ happy/sweet personality. The compulsive lying disorder makes all of this even harder to deal with.
Growing up with a mother that has a mental disorder and not knowing it until you’re old enough to figure it out is beyond rough. I spent years asking myself questions such as:
Why? What is wrong with my mother? Why is she so angry? What is she angry about? And why can’t she tell me the truth about it?
And in the short, few times when she was happy. Why does the happiness radiating from her feel like there’s something unresolved beneath it?
For years while I was growing up I spent almost my entire existence wondering what was wrong with my mother and why couldn’t she ever just tell the truth. She lies about everything, I never understood her random outbursts of rage directed at my siblings and I over nothing. For a long time I thought it was me. I thought I was the cause of her unhappiness, I thought her angry tyrants were actually my fault. Her outbursts knew no limitation of moral values. In her eyes (when she was angry at least), I was an ungrateful bitch, a lazy piece of shit, inconsiderate, a cunt, and a whore. I heard all of these things from my mother before I was in the seventh grade (middle school).
When you’re a kid in middle school you look to your parents for guidance and motivation. I only had my mom to look up to so I actually started to believe I was all of these things. My self esteem plummeted and I began to hate myself in the way my mother had shown hate towards me.
I never understood that she had a mental disorder and she doesn’t either. For a long time in my life I began to believe that parents were supposed to treat you like you were a terrible child. I literally believed that parents were supposed to insult you and that’s just the way life was.
It was not until I grew older and I decided for myself that I did not want other people to feel the way my mom made me feel through her blindsiding episodes fueled of past resentment and hate.
I made a decision for myself to chose to treat people different from what my mom had treated me my whole life. I had to re-learn everything I had been taught from seeing my mom’s reactions to things and realize for myself that she was wrong.
A parent is supposed to show a child right from wrong, I had to figure out for myself that her actions were wrong and despite what I had been shown from my parental figure, I had to do what I felt was right within myself.
I believe there is an even greater mental disorder behind this.
It was hard to grow up not have to ability to talk to my mother about anything. It breaks my heart that I can never have the relationship with my mother the way a mother and daughter should. I can’t talk to her about anything I’m experiencing in life without her cutting me off and lying to me about entire events in her life that never actually happened. Anything I have to share with her about she approaches with a ‘been there done that’ already went through what I’m going through kind of attitude instead of just making an attempt to understand me.
Her disorder only got worse over the years, she became irrationally angry and now she lies about the reasons why she is angry in an effort to cover up what she is truly hurt about. I think she’s scared of letting herself experience her built up pain. So scared she would rather just push it away and release it wrongfully instead of going through it and then being freed from it. Her mindset is not open enough to gain this understanding and is probably what led to her disorders. If I try to explain any of this to her she’ll just lie to me and pretend like there is nothing wrong. Every child wants to see their mother truly happy and that’s all I’ve ever wanted for her. But she’s so closed, she shuts everything out so nothing can hurt her but nothing can make her happy either. If I try to talk to her to help her relieve her pain she’s so scared of letting herself experience her pain she just pushes it away and lies about it. My mother tells me she has no pain and she’s happy. But I know better, I know she isn’t. She comes home angry about something but I don’t even know what she’s truly angry about. Instead of expressing what she’s truly angry about she releases it on to other things that aren’t actually the issue. Sometimes I see a lot of childish actions arise in her anger, actions that remind me of five year old children. I watched her run away from her emotions and problems and release them in unhealthy ways my whole life. I’ve shed countless tears for my mother because my love for her is so great. But as her child I cannot keep watching her make the same mistakes, continue her misery, and run away from her emotional problems.
My heart goes out to those dealing with parents that have mental disorders. I’ve lived with the stress and heartbreak of watching and falling victim to the disorders my mother has.
Alexus I am heartbroken reading your post. No child should have to be told those horrible things you were told and I’m hoping you found a way to know that they are not true. You sound like a wonderful person and you have faced terrible odds but you have chosen to take a different path. I hope you can find peace and I hope you have friends who tell you the truth, and how wonderful you are and I pray that you believe them. I had a beautiful person entire my life recently and he either has a compulsive lying or some kind of delusional disorder. I know this because he fits the descriptions and he has sabotaged ALL of his relationships in the past and my heart breaks for him. I tried to help him and he has fled…cause he too can’t face the truth. I cry about it everyday and I don’t know how to help him. He told me that everyone eventually abandons him and now I can see why. I am trying to not abandon him but now that he knows I know the truth about him, HE has left ME. I know you can’t force someone to get help so I have grave concerns for his future. Already he can’t hold down a job. He can’t keep friends for very long and even his family know nothing about him he is so secretive. I don’t know how I became his mother… I saw something very special and lovable. I saw beyond his lies/delusions whatever it is he has and I wanted so much for him to be happy. Like my own son is happy. When I tried to get him to get help, he ran. He won’t talk to me now. I try to let it go but it gets me awake at night. I see him struggling through his life… failing time and time again. I just can’t stop caring. I wish I could. I don’t know what to do.
My ex-husband has this disorder and what has been explain here is exactly what he was doing. He goes on face book and tells a lot of lies from having a vet to dating a model to working with engineers as some kind of director. Its really sad, but in our marriage I just couldn’t take it anymore. He would lie for no reason. Recently he told his sister he had some other expensive car and when she check him he said he was just dreaming of having it very sad very sad. He is to arrogant to every face up to the truth or that he is lying.
I’ve been a liar for as long as I can remember. Ever since I was a kid, sometimes I would get caught, mainly by my parents. As I got older the lies became more subtle and believable, I guess you could say that I perfected my craft. Like others have mentioned before me, the lies weren’t always to cover something up, I just lied about the way I was sometimes and wanted to be someone else that I wasn’t. I had grown up in a semi-christian home and when I decided to become a Christian myself, I got a heavy dose of guilt for all of the lies I had told. I was 15 at the time. Becoming a Christian was good for me, because it made me confront my lies. I never told anyone about them I just started forcing myself to tell the truth and to learn to shut up whenever I felt like lying. This worked for a few years, then I started lying again. I started back up recently, even though I had slipped up over the years here and there, but I would catch myself and try to do some self correction. The lies were meaningless and they were to people that I would never see again, or to people that I was just getting to know. I’ve been in a relationship for the past 3 years and we’re engaged now. I’m terrified that he’ll find out the truth about me. He’s never caught me in a lie, but there have been times when I did feel extreme guilt about certain lies that I would admit everything to him. He’s extremely understanding and very patient and still trusts me, I know that it’s because he’s never caught me, but I’m afraid for that day to come. I want to change again, but its harder for me this second time around to stop lying, I know I don’t need to, but I do it anyway. I’m currently seeing a counselor, because of some anxiety and depression issues that I’ve been having. I’ve been lying to him, not about everything, for the most part its all true. But I have thrown in lies about my progress. He thinks I’m getting better, but I’m not. I really wanted to kill myself tonight, or at the very least hurt myself severely. I kept having to suppress the urge to go outside and walk in front of a car (I live next to a very busy street). I’m so disgusted with myself, I can’t stop and I don’t know what to do.
Dear lea, when I read your post I saw a reflection of myself…
This is a disease and we need to confront this seriously…is very dificult I know, I try to keep this under control but looks like something instantly…you know sole one and after 3 minutes chatting I lie… with no reason or justification.
I am also christian and I all the time
I know I have this but I don’t see the need to change that it gets you out of so many things and can be so helpful and no one can tell that your lying when you really need to. You can help people that you love to get out of things as well. It hasn’t caused me any problems so far.
This is very interesting to me, especially the comments. I don’t have this problem. I almost always tell the truth, even if it hurts. I don’t exaggerate my accomplishments either. I tend to down play everything. I have worked with people who lied a lot and people would laugh at them behind their backs; but I felt compassion for them. I always think What would make someone lie about who they are? I just don’t get it. I find people interesting no matter who they are or what they’ve done or not done. I guess my 2 cents would be: ” just be yourself” people will like you, people will value you. All people? Of course not; but most people like genuine people warts and all. Be your self.
I have just discovered my partner is a compulsive liar. The most frightening part have been the lies he has told another female before and during dating me. He has faked his name, date of birth, job, family, even to the point of setting up fake email accounts and sending fake emails.
He has admitted he has an issue and going to attend counselling and has “stopped lying” completely.
Can he ever be helped? Should I try and stay or just run now? It worries me he will die alone but then I worry will I the 1 to die alone after spending years unhappy trying to fix him.
I am a compulsive liar, narcissistic, avoidant and delusional. I was married to the most amazing person in the world, who is the mother of my two beautiful children. Because of my lies, I have lost my family. I lied about who I am, what I am, where I came from, essentially I lied about my entire existence. I created a false world upon which the security of my family rested, and when it all came crashing down two years ago, their lives were forever damaged. It is only through my wife’s resolve and the support of her family and friends, that our children remain in a stable environment, loved. I am now left with this overwhelming guilt, depressed, sometimes suicidal and afraid of the future. I am trying so hard to move forward with my life, for my children, but each day, even after all the mess that I created, I still lie. I’m 46 years old, and I doubt that I can ever stop lying about everything. I work with a psychotherapist, but I lie to her. It just seems like I am unable to tell the truth, or I just don’t even know what the truth is anymore.
I guess try to tell the therapist exactly what you wrote here… don’t give up, there is always hope! The fact that you feel guilty proves that you’re not a bad person, you just have a problem. Good luck!
I was in a year and a half relationship, with a over exaggerator and compulsive liar, I believe it was down to neglect from her family, what she would do is make up short or long stories about stuff that didn’t matter like (what she bought in a shop), to stuff that did matter like ( what she had done with her life or stories that was unrealistic about her family, who are generally good people), she would lie about who her family i.e sister was like, or friends she would say were tight ‘close’ and a week later would b the worst person in the world, she loved to lie and she dwell, and get a cheap thrill from doing it, she lie about anything, and when you would confront her and call her a liar, she would literally ignore that, like she has no shame or respect, and just carry on or change the subject, why would she never stand her ground with that simple questions? She loved making story’s or over exaggerating on something we both did, and she would do it in front of me and expect me to think her account of what happens, happens… We had a baby and split, and I’m concerned for the kid, is he safe? Ask any questions please x
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I feel like my friend has this… ever since I have known her, some traumatic event has occurred in her life (according to her) every few years. Even though they are horrible things that I wouldn’t wish to be real for anyone, ever since realising the first one (a story that someone had died) was a complete lie, I am unsure whether or not to believe the other ones. (I mean, perhaps she really believed it, or was deceived by someone else? I don’t know.) Obviously, as a friend, I wanted to support her and believe her… but so many people around me were skeptical of her stories, and now I am too.
Also, more recently, she has often avoided contacting me – I feel like she’s trying to distance herself from the lies she has told.
I don’t know what to do – I’ve given up contacting her, but at the same time I just really want to confront her about it and try and get some explanation as to how a person could tell their friend that someone had died, and live with that lie for years? It eats at me all the time.
Any advice would be appreciated!
I am a pathological liar and I want to know how I can stop lying .
Realize that everyone you lie to you hurt.
I dont know what I have, I check out or go blank, then find out or partly remember that I said something untrue, it seems disconnected from my awareness until later and sometimes dont remember saying it all. I feel allot of guilt, but guilt makes worse. Anxiety may be the trigger, but?
I cant control whats going on?
Many psychiatrists and psychologists believe that individuals with low self-esteem who are looking, whether knowingly or unknowingly, for attention, popularity, love, or to cover up a failure are prone to developing the disorder. Finally, there is speculation that it is a reaction to childhood trauma or neglect or failure of the parents to establish realistic limits and provide guidance. It is important to note that many experts believe that habitual lying is a symptom of a larger personality disorder including borderline personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder.
As a result of not being included in the DSM-IV, there is no actual diagnostic criteria for a compulsive liar. However, many psychiatrists and psychologists will diagnosis based on behavioral patterns as reported by loved ones and through observation of the individual. There is no magic cure for this disorder. Therapy can be beneficial to the sufferer if they will admit that there is an actual problem. If the person does not recognize that they suffer from this condition, therapy will be of no consequence.
This is sad i am in a relationship with a compulsive liar its been 5 years and he lies in my face through text etc, he’s always searched for attention online, from women from so called friends and actual friends its like a void in his heart i can’t feel every year i find out and he gets all sad and remorseful tells me he feels like crap for what he’s done but continues to do it. Its crazy cause on one end he says he wants to get help and he’s aware he has this issue but at the same time he doesn’t see that it’s a big deal….he says I’m the only semblance of happiness he has…..he’s always deathly afraid of losing me yet i believe the idea of losing his friends or losing his ability to have his cake and eat it to is far more scarier….. i don’t understand him i hurt so much he says he gonna go to therapy but u know with a compulsive liar they can make numerous promises and break them…..
Good day! I have a concern about this disorder. I have a friend of mine whom I think have this kind of disorder. She’s always lying all the time and now my friends and I, don’t know how to deal with her anymore. we can’t tell now whether she’s lying or not. What can we do with her?
I think my ex girlfriend suffer from Compulsive lying disorder. She lied about her dad, she said that her dad is a millionaire and she is on a fix marriage. I believe in her for almost 3 years, and when I realized that maybe it was all lies, I confronted her but she denied it. Until I asked her mom and BOOOM! We broke up. I don’t know why the hell she did that to me. I want to help her guys, and I don’t know what to do. T.T I love her so much, but I think I cannot trust her again.
I want to stop lying but I fail every time. I just need to make people think I’m more that I am, that I do things that I don’t, I exaggurate with every story to make it more interesting. It doesn’t usually hurt people, but there’s been cases when it did. And each time I tell a lie (I do it without thinking), I’m like “why did I just say that? why did I lie again?”. I can’t afford therapy, but I would really like to get better. I don’t lie to people I’ve known my whole life so much, but when I meet someone new, I can’t help myself. Recently I cut 3 people out of my life because they found out the truth (two of them were my ex partners and one was their mutual friend), luckaly, they weren’t people that meant too much to me at that point, but I really need to stop this before I lose the people I actually need in my life. I’m only 21, I think I can do it, but any advice on how to do it, would help.
To be clear, I did go to therapy, but not for this reason. The reason was that I was going through a bad break up and had panic attacks. But, like most people who lie, I lied to her as well. Now I’m moving to a different country and I won’t be able to have therapy for a while. Any suggestions how to do this without it?
I am in a relationship with someone that has this disorder. At first i let it go, because i really love them. There such a good, humble person. But now its gotten to the point that I dont believe anything communicated by them. No matter what I say, this person will lie, to one up me. Im sad to say that im going to have to let him go because of it. Telling the truth always is my policy, i wouldn’t have it any other way. This is really hardened my heart. Yet i dont see any other option.
It’s exactly how I feel. I’ve been going to therapy because I had panic attacks and a really bad break-up, but when I started going there I didn’t realise that the lying might have caused the break up and I was lying to my therapist as well… not as much as to the others, but there were enough little lies for her to not figure out that I have a problem with lying.
So, now I’m over the break up, but my guilt still haunts me all the time because I’m a liar and I’m afraid to admit it to my therapist now, since it’s been months…
The mother of my child has been lying to me now I see for 6 years. We met a long time ago and rekindled our relationship after 10 years, 6 years ago. When we met all seemed great then I found out she had a terrible drug addiction. She ended up in several rehabs with me sticking through it with her all the time I don’t think she ever told me the truth about anything. Even the simplest things. Like did you eat that food, no I didn’t, and she did. Why lie! Well we had a beautiful daughter together 3 years ago. She then relapsed, cheated on me with her drug dealer back in June. We are not together and I luckily have my daughter but trying to Co-parent is very difficult. She is constantly still lying about everything. I can’t trust her alone with our daughter. And now I am buying a house for me and my daughter and she is constantly badgering me to get back with her while she is still lying! I don’t know what it is about her that I can’t just say f’ off get away from me……….. I can’t take the deceit anymore. She is on all types of meds but she still lies every day, even today Christmas eve. 🙁 I am completely lost and I don’t even know anymore what a normal relationship is like. She has been diagnosed with borderline personality, a recovering adict, a pathological lier, a cheater and overall very lazy. But she deserves someone doesn’t she? I jus can’t take care of 2 kids! Well I read this article to understand more and it helped. I hope knowone else out there is in my situation…
Unfortunately you are not alone in your situation. My partner lied to the whole family, making them gather for the cultural bride price proceedings but no turning up. Upon enquiring with his brother, they were not even aware of the intention. He lied about himself incessantly and he was always the hero including his school achievements with no certificates to shoe!!! He talks non stop when in any company. Any conversation without him at the centre is not worth listening. The worst part is living with him for 22 years has driven all I love away. He fabricates lies about me to anyone worth saying something positive about me. I have to apologise always to those who are brave enough to tell me. When I ask him what he has just said he denies! He now has this obsession where I have affairs all the time. He verbally attacks anyone in my contact list. He badmouth people from my workplace, college, church : Anyone who crosses my path. This is affecting children at school and in relationship. There is no stability and trust as he says one thing and shows something else in body language and actions. He attacks the very foundations of my family values. I want to help him but I don’t know how?
To add on to the analogy above, I omitted that to those who don’t know him, my partner is the nicest guy ever. If he likes you he can do anything for you. He can easily switch from one good person to the ultimate lier who perceives everyone to be so stupid. His lies can be so obvious but he won’t take notice of the people”s reactions. He lied about me so much that he drove me to psychosis and he won’t even acknowledge that! My family has given up on me and blame me for allowing him to keep lying to me and everyone about me!
One of my friends suffers from this she lied to me about her ex boyfriend hitting her and raping her I comforted her today and yes she told me she lied to me in some but I don’t believe here because she probably doesn’t know the truth either because she believes her own lies and I’m supporting her in everything ?
I have lost interest in his stupid lying ass! I didn’t ever think I could hate someone so much! I rather die than stay with someone who lies about EVERYTHING. Especially and most recently about how much his check was. No, I did not ask you how much your check was before deductions you idiot!
lied about things and can’t stop
I have a lying problem. I have exaggerated my whole life. From an early age. I have two wonderful kids, good thing my ex is a great mom. I am scared they will see their dad for who he is, a liar and will grow up to be like me and lie about the littlest things. I met the most amazing woman 2.5 years ago. My dream woman smart, sexy, and incredible. Our relationship was incredible for the first year. Then my lies starts to unravel. I reached out to other women to find acceptance and attention. Because I thought I was not good enough for her, and made myself out to be more then i was. I put her health at risk. She has stuck with me because she sees something in me I cant find in myself. I love her with everything I have, but her trust in me is gone, one more lie and she will go. I want and need help. I cant see her not in my life. My kids, her and people who know me deserve better. I need and want help, it is so tough because it is easier to lie then be truthful. The guilt and shame for what I have done is sometimes overwhelming. It eats at me and I have no way of making all the past pain I caused for others go away. I know this is the toughest battle ever. Be impeccable with your word. I need to remind myself of this everyday. I need the trust of the ones I love because I have hurt them for lifetimes. If I can do this you all can too.
I am a compulsive liar
Acceptance is the first step to recovery
My mum said she loves me, but she doesn’t want to be my friend anymore because of all the lying.
I’ve been reading these comments, and I never thought of myself as a compulsive liar. I have to say, though, all of this fits me far to perfectly for me to simply sit here and say “No, I’m not.” That would be another lie.
Reading through the suggestions on how to stop myself from lying, I see that therapy plays a big role. I don’t see why I shouldn’t. I’m 15, I have a long life ahead of me and I feel like I can save myself from a life of regret and dark self-pity by taking hold of my tongue and using it like someone with honor rather than a weak version of Wormtongue*.
Time for a confession, I also have some narcissistic tendencies. Now I’m not a full 9 pointer, but 5 pointer. This, if you look at corporations, can turn into success in a corporate setting. I’m not saying I’m proud to be a narcissist, as we can be mean spirited sometimes, and downright hurtful to others (not a particularly nice image to have to walk in), but if I continue to lie, then I wont succeed in corporate setting. Another thing, Narcissists, though sometimes incapable of sustaining a good relationship, can sometimes actually be a somewhat natural socialite. I cant be a socialite, no matter how hard I try, if I’m a compulsive liar.
While Narcissism is a trait some people are born with, most of the time Compulsive lying is a trait gained from one or more factors. For me, Lying was something that became a habit when I was little. I’d lie to get out of trouble. Then, I’d lie for freebies from people in the schoolyard. Then, it became a sort of regular part of my personality. Now, it’s something I need to evolve past. I can’t blame my mum for this, either (my dad is out of the picture – if there’s someone I can blame other than myself it’s him), so it’s my own personal fault that I’ve dug myself into a pit this deep.
At this point, my strategies to get myself out of this circle of lying, then trying to keep those lies and then getting caught would be simply outing myself as soon as I lie. I’ve seen some people on here say it’s too “embarrassing” for them. I say this, if you out yourself they’ll trust you more than if you continue to lie. My second step is keeping my mouth shut when I feel like speaking up to make myself feel “special” or “intelligent”. Plot twist: I don’t look either intelligent nor special, in fact I look like a liar.
That’s all I’ve got to say, provide any feedback you’d like. Any criticisms, any suggestions, please, do.
*Wormtongue is a character from the Lord of the Rings, he is basically a compulsive liar, and a really good one that turns everyone against each other. When I say a weak Wormtongue, I mean a very bad liar.
Hey. I have been in your position. 10 years ago I could have written this verbatim as my own story. The fact that you can recognise your behaviour shows incredible self awareness. Believe it or not narcissism actually stems from crippling self doubt. As you say you are 15 and still have your life ahead of you. Now is the time to act. Think about what you want to do as an adult and how you wan to impact this world. And work towards that. It will help to pacify the insecurities that drive the lies. And if you ever need to chat hit me up. I can honestly say I have been where you are.
These pages have changed my life! I married my wife in 1967 and although I had previously recognised her readiness to lie to me I had absolutely no idea that such a readiness to tell lies had complicated psychological terminologies. From these pages I have discovered heart-rending truths – my wife has been suffering from psychological problems for more than half a century!
Yes, her lies destroyed our marriage a very long time ago – my own principle has always been that with truth all things are known but a single lie will put ALL things into doubt.
Many respondents on these pages have declared that their partners have told lies “even about small things etc”. This has been the way it has been for me. Except that only now, nearly fifty years later, lies about my wife’s total fidelity have been revealled to be lies. Only now have I discovered that my daughter, born in 1969, and now with the aid of DNA analysis, is not actually ‘my’ daughter after all! So much for lying only about ‘small things’.
I attended ‘my’ daughter’s birth and met her even before she had been physically separated from her mother, so there is a powerful animal instinct involved – an instinct to love and protect and this can never be changed. But am I permitted to feel rather cheated to have spent almost half a century loving and caring for another man’s secretly conceived child? Even now that I know the documented truth my wife, as a compulsive liar, will go to her grave denying this fact.
Further to what I have said previously I have come to recognise that there seems to be two different forms of compulsive lying. There are people who tell lies about matters that have NOT happened and there are others (as in my own experience) who have compulsively lied about things that HAVE happened.
Telling lies about things that have not happened seem to be told for gaining personal kudos and undeserved admiration whereas telling lies about things that have happened seem to be told to avoid the condemnation that the liar would need to face.
Lies about things that have not happened – undeserved admiration – may be just lies at a schoolboy level and easily laughed away. Unfortunately, lies about things that have actually happened could have (as in my own experience) lifelong consequences.
Therapy? My wife would be immune to any therapy simply by the principle of “admit nothing – deny everything”. The internet (not even imagined in the days we became man and wife) has given me access to electoral rolls by date, council lists of property ratepayers by date, even Google maps for tracing the locations of those properties etc.etc. along with the wonders of DNA analysis have given me extensive documentation of scientific ‘proofs’ yet, to this day, my wife sticks to “admit nothing – deny everything”. A professional therapist, if having to depend upon questions and answers, would not have the slightest hope.
A positivity which has evolved (for me) is that rather than having the idea that my wife was just evil from the start, she has been suffering from psychological imballance, which I can now, as a benefit from these pages, allow myself to feel sympathetic about. But almost fifty years of misery still hurts.
I had massive issues with compulsive lying all through my childhood and up until I was at university. I made a real effort to change my behaviour and made some real progress. However I am now 26 and have recently noticed in the last 2 years without even realising it was happening, the behaviour has begun to creep back. And with disastrous effects.
I was seeing a psychologist a while ago and it seemed to help but I can’t afford to do that anymore. It’s exhausting you know. To have this thing that you compulsively do and to have to keep yourself in check all the time. How do you fix the root cause?
I’ve recently quit drugs which have been an issue for a while and I’m trying to come to terms with the emotional issues which the drugs were masking. I’m also writing a true and honest manifesto as a way for me to get all this swirling dialogue out of my head and separate fact from fiction. I’m sure some of you can relate that when you lie to others for so long about something you begin to believe it’s true. It becomes part of your identity with catastrophic effects to your self-worth.
Anyway it seems that I am not alone in my struggle and though we are often own harshest critics, my message to all of you who are trying to get better is this:
I have mad respect for you. It’s not easy and I understand your plight. Most of us are not bad people. Never give up!
Peace
From everything I have read here, there is no help or hope for the liar. Either we accept the liar as they are or we eject them from our lives.
Dear Jay Schmidt – With half a century of pain I am qualified to declare that you are right. BUT – in my twenties I had never even heard of ‘compulsive lying’ – it was just a nasty term applied to people with no scientific explanation. If only I hadn’t been so willing to forgive! But even though I have been Dad to some other guy’s daughter (she is soon to reach her fiftieth birthday) I can not eject ‘my’ daughter’s mother because she is in commercial association with ‘my’ daughter and they are very close because of that. Now ‘my’ daughter, who I have raised and supported emotionally through her life – I could never desert her – has developed some strange ideas about me and I wonder if either she has accepted lies told by her mother or is it possible that her mother’s affliction is hereditary? I can only hope that someone with better experience can confirm or not about this. Whatever, I am morally denied the right of ‘ejection’.
All my life I’ve had to deal with liars. My father was a compulsive liar who struggled with the truth and made everyone feel it was them that was crazy not him also his womanising and affairs throughout my parents 25 year marriage was traumatic to say the least so now I’ve discovered my son is the same as his grandfather. He has only been married a year and has wrecked that relationship with seeing other women a neighbour of theirs. His wife kicked him out and he’s been back with us for 6 months and now his web of lies has all come out like he was adopted as a baby his real mum was a drug addict and we took him in as a baby complete lies. My husband beat him up as a child again not true. We sold his car and pocked the money he doesn’t even drive. He went to some fancy university he never wanted to further his education even though we tried and he’s barely worked a year in the 10 years he’s left school. I blame myself daily i don’t know what I could have done differently and I can barely talk to him cause he turns it round to us that’s crazy not him. He is emotionless and dosent seem to care that his lies have caused so much damage and because of his deception we don’t get to see our grand daughter. I want to walk away because i can’t deal with it anymore and having him under the same roof is soul destroying.
I have an 8 year old grandson who ive been like a mother to him. my daughter died 3 years ago from a prescription drug overdose. so iv’e really tried to be the closest thing to a mother he’d ever have. we would keep him at our house for weeks at a time and he would confide in me about a lot of what was going on in his life.we would buy him clothes and toys a tv for his room an exbox a dvd player always tell him how much we love him .he had started acting out a lot at school and lying at home. so his dad took him to his therapist and talked to him just to see if he could get an idea why he was doing these things and much to everyones surprise he told the therapist a bunch of lies about things he said my husband said. needless to say we were crushed. the therapist wanted my son in law to turn us in to cps . when I talked to my grandson after talking to his dad and told him you know if you tell lies to them people they will never let us see you again and he just said I know real calmly.we can’t figure out if he is a compulsive lier or what but we can’t believe this is happening. I don’t know if they will be able to diagnois what his problem is.
I am in a 6-month-old relationship now with a man whom I am now 100% sure has a compulsive lying disorder. Most of his lies are trying to portray that he is rich and successful. He is narcissistic and has various relationships with women to maybe reassure himself that he is wanted and needed. I have caught him and he had no choice but to admit the lies. Although he never really explained why he had to lie in many things. The predictable thing to do was to break up with him, which I did for a week, but then realised that I truly care for him and want to help him.
He has so many other good qualities that made me fall for him in the first place. I think he is a good man. Or maybe that’s what I want to believe.
My reading up on the net about this subject matter is to find answers to these questions:
1) Is this a lifetime pattern? He is now 38 yrs old and is divorced. I suspect his marriage broke up because of the same issue. I have seriously considered marrying him and I still do if he can be cured. But is he hopeless?
2) What can I do to help him as his partner? How should I deal with him? I am trying to pretend that I still do not know all the other lies he has told me. Lies like he owns a Mercedes Benz car, a vacation house in Italy and has lots of investments everywhere. I don’t want to confront him because I don’t want to embarrass him and make him feel more insecure, which is probably the main reason why he lies a lot in the first place. It does not matter to me that he doesn’t own all these material wealth.
3) It is said that a man who can lie about one thing can lie about everything. After discovering all his lies, though I have already forgiven him, I tend to always doubt now whatever he tells me. I am so paranoid and insecure. Definitely not a good foundation for a relationship. He told me that he will never lie again. And I firmly told him that if I find out any deceit again, I will leave him.
4) To tell you honestly, this is now the third time I am in a relationship with a compulsive liar. Why do I attract such men? The first two relationships broke off because I dropped them when I discovered all the deceit. I realise now that I was unforgiving. Now for a change, I want to help this man. Am I wasting my time? I don’t think he will admit that there is something wrong with him. He only admitted the lies because they were blatantly undeniable.
What can I do? My instinct tells me I am doomed to get hurt. But a voice inside tells me maybe this man needs help. He wants to feel truly loved and accepted so he will not be insecure anymore and there is no need to lie.
Shannah,
Unless you are professional psychologist, you can only confront him and tell him to get help. But for your own sake, do not marry him unless you are prepared to deal with this problem long-term. He is the one who has to change his behavior. Perhaps the question should be “do I trust him enough to marry him?”
my dad is a compulsive liar. my mum has lived with this now for 59 years. it has affected me into my adult life. I now only believe what I know to be true. My mum has had a dreadful life with my Dad. We have had to move house so many times. he would lie about qualifications then get dismissed and we would move across the country again. No stability for us as a family. My mum has been embarassed so many times by his flamboyant lies. He doesn’t need to fabricate, we have had many exciting and fun experiences without inventing more. He has always lied about money, forged mums signatures on documents to gain money, remorgaged the house without her knowing..The list is endless. The worst though is the fabrication about his health. he has told us he has multiple cancers, invented bizarre treatments and consultations with doctors. he is now a genuinely sick man but still persists with this. My advice to you; stay away from this man, the life you will end up having will be dreadful. He doesn’t want to admit to his issues and you can’t make him.
Hi, today I have realised that I have this condition after suffering from it for a long time, I have lied to the love of my life (I have lost her btw) family and friends I have caused a lot of pain. I lied about the littlest things and also told big lies I knew something was wrong with me and it was out of character i’m so glad that I have realised that I have this condition, it’s horrible to watch people who you care about suffer because of you and your lies but I know life is full of lessons and you need to be strong. Don’t be embarrassed or ashamed mental health problems are just like physical health but misunderstood. I will seek advice and help I want to stop I want to be an honest person.
My husband lies about the smallest things, and then goes into extreme denial mode. For example, I will see lunch meat bag opened in the refrigerator, which would cause the meat to go bad. I will then simply say to him, “Hey hun, you have to seal the lunch meat bag up or the lunch meat will go bad”.
He will then begin to deny he did it, over and over when we are the only two people in the house, and I know it was NOT me, and its his doing. He will continue to dey it, and many times no matter how petty, he will keep talking about it for sometimes hours. Its ridiculous! When he has too much to drink he will follow me around the house upstairs, downstairs outside wherever I go all while denying something so small! It becomes so abusive of a situation that I have escaped into my car and drove around be perfect and any small error on his part, is enough to make him lie and deny it, and his brow beating is to make me say or brain wash me into thinking that he did NOT do it after all! Which, I will never do! I have never seen anyone with so in the middle of the night! (Just for peace of mind). It as though he has to much low self esteem, most people would have just have said Ok, I forgot, or oops I’am bad! Is this the same thing as a compulsive liar? It is only when you say he has made a mistake does he have this behavior?
First off I must apologize for my name on this, clearly that is a lie. I remember when started to lie, it was in grade one, the kids where talking about how cool and tough their dad’s where, and everyone said things to make dad’s better then the other. Since that day things have snowballed soon much and I hate the person I have become, I have a son and. I just want him to grow up not to be like me,he looks up to me soo much , every time I say a lie I don’t feel really any guilt at that moment, but more sacred of getting caught so my mind is always on over drive trying to stay ahead of my lies. But when I am alone sometimes I feel soo guilty and discussed with myself, cause a lot of my lies where just to make myself look better ( I know I have low self esteem) cause I seem to screw up of fail at everything I have done in life, and lies give me a brief sense of success for the time, but then a terrible sense of guilt and am ashamed of myself. My lies have truly hurt some people and a lot of my loved ones, they have seriously changed the coarse of some people’s lives and there is no taking it back. I would like to tell the truth about my lies to these people but I think the shame would be way worse than guilt, and I know it would truly hurt people if they found out the truth, and I feel I would just cause more harm to my love ones. I recently came to terms aswell that I am a alcoholic, and as soon as I drink I just can’t help myself and almost everything I say is a lie. I am on the road to recovery, but I have had a hard time as a most recently lost a cousin of my mine that was like my rock, he was one of the most amazing people I have had the privilege of having in my life, he committed suicide from a reaction to anti anxiety medication . I also suffer from bad depression but am afraid I guess to get help, especially after what happened to him. Also from growing up a had a lot of bad stuff happen to me. Some of it was bad choices on my half and some just some real bad luck I guess. Maybe it’s karma for all my lies and the terrible things I have done in my passed that I never got caught for. I just want to live a normal peaceful life, help people and make a difference for the better in the world, but it’s like my lies and choices in life come back to haunt me. I would like to see a Psychiatrist but can’t afford it. I just don’t want my child to grow up knowing his father is a Pathological liar ,Never express my feelings before and I guess this is the first step,Anyway has a similar story or advice that they can get to me I would greatly appreciate it thank you
Dear ‘John Doe’
You have far less problems than you are imposing upon yourself! It seems that one of the necessary qualifications for being a ‘compulsive’ liar is that such people have absolutely no personal sense of guilt and, clearly, you have a deep-felt sense of guilt! Just look at the many many sad stories being told on these pages, stories from people who have or still are feeling the crippling effects of utter frustration that people they themselves love have such relentless and totally guilt-free ability to avoid telling the truth – and, clearly, you are not one of those people! This is proven on a number of levels. Firstly by the fact that your anonymous pseudonym has been admitted to be a ‘lie’ (which, oddly, was actually a ‘truthful’ admission) and, secondly, by taking such care to write your statements here you have declared your self-condemnation – undeserved self-condemnation. A fully qualified ‘compulsive liar’ is unable to respond to a sense of ‘reason’, unable to even recognise that a problem applies to themselves. So it is, my friend, you are only suffering from being a perfectly ordinary human being with, perhaps, a slightly over-developed sense of self preservation which is suffered by oh so many other human beings in this imperfect world.
You suggested your need for psychological help. Why? By your own sense of ‘reason’ and your truthful admissions you clearly already know and accept all that a psychologist could hope to tell you about yourself! A cure? It seems that a cure already exists in your own soul and, anyway, there can be no ‘cure’ for your self-imposed but very healthy sense of guilt.
Hey guys, I know how negative people here are about compulsive lying, and it really hurts to read through some of these messages. I want to give you some perspective from a compulsive liar.
It’s not something I can control. It slips out before I can even process what I’m about to say. If I can catch it in time, I immediately backtrack and attempt to tell the truth, but it doesn’t always work like that.
Also, the tidbit about not feeling guilt because we convince ourselves that it’s the truth, I have something on that too. It honestly took me a long while to get to that point to where I’d begin to lie to myself, saying that whatever I just told someone was the truth, and I’d go with it. The pathetic thing about my case is that I mostly lie about only minor things. Things that no one could ever prove differently unless they really tried. I admit that I’m scenario 1 where it’s low self-esteem and attention. I have a huge problem with wanting attention, but I don’t always want it directly, I just want to know that I have it. I’m bad at explaining, sorry. Anyways, back to the subject at hand. A LOT of people feel guilt for the lies they tell. It’s when that guilt becomes so overpowering that they begin to tell themselves that they did no wrong.
In all honesty, when I saw people here saying that we’re crazy and that people should just ditch us, I felt a bit mad. But then I had to realize that some people lie about major things all the time because of their illness. But, in my case at least, we aren’t JUST hurting you, it hurts me too to know that this thing is something I will likely never be able to control. It hurts that I can’t be normal and just be honest. It one of the most terrible feelings I’ve experienced.
But PLEASE understand that most of us CANNOT control it. In our heads we might be saying “You know this isn’t true” or “Why did you lie over something so little?” but our mouths may rattle on and on about it because sometimes we just can’t stop. It’s not something I can just turn off one day. Why would I ever choose this? It’s not my choice.
It’s not that we don’t care or that it doesn’t matter. In my case at least, it’s that we just can’t for the love of life help it. It’s very easy to claim that we lie just to push your buttons and work your last nerve. Believe me, sometimes when I encounter someone who has a serious lying problem, there is that thought of “Why did they even lie about that? It doesn’t even matter.” or “This is starting to become ridiculous” because hardly anyone enjoys being lied to. But then I turn around and think about my situation.
From what I’ve known, we’re not sadistic psychopaths who enjoy your emotional pain. It’s not some kind of game. It’s one of the realist things I’ve known (unless we get caught up in our fantasy and even then, still).
Okay, I think that’s all I have to say.
If you have any questions and want answers first hand, please feel free to ask! It’s not assuring knowing that I’m also a compulsive liar, but at least I can go over what I’m saying before I post a comment! Ask away!
Would a compulsive liar lie about being a compulsive liar. Sure! I have read many of the replies and thought to myself that was a lie. My question is what does a person get from lying. I would think attention would be near the top of the list. Self aggrandizing would also be near the top. Lying for the glory. Avoidance behavior would be on the list. Lying to avoid punishment. Acceptance would also be on the list. Egocentricity. Liars are very complex. And I think it begins at a very young age. Especially if one lived with an abusive parent. People lie to have others listen to them. If you don’t have anything to brag about you make up stories. I was caught in a huge lying once and the result was devastating to me. Rather than learn from that experience and move towards telling the truth I just got better at lying. I mean a lot better. I lied about hating liars. I lied about who I was, what profession I was in, at school, at work and anytime I thought it would better my position. I lied on my jury duty summons. I lied to the attorney who questioned me. I lie about my abilities. I even lied about my very existence. Told people I was somebody else. Lying has been a part of me for a long, long time. And I know I am good at it. I am a professional! Am I lying about being a liar? You try and figure it out. And whatever you rely I will most likely will respond with a lie. I missed my calling as a politician or an attorney.
I’ve been with a liar for over 25 years. The first time I met him he lied about his age. He lied and forgot his wallet at home to avoid paying for first date . I should have run away then. But He WAS charming, constantly telling me how beautiful I was and knew how to make me feel loved. I married him and it all began. He’d hid money and tell me he had none. I paid all the bills for 4 years. We had 2 boys then divorced when he cashed a $5k check from my bank. Got back together years later I helped get him a license to be a contractor. Again he would lie lie and kept getting caught. He would buy a truck, trailer and construction equipment and hid them in a storage unit. Again I was paying bills until he couldn’t pay for storage anymore and told me about it.
After 7 more years of hiding things from me and lying I had it and threw him out.
Now just got back from visiting his family and they told me that he was a con artist and liar.I wished they would have told me 28 years ago. Now he wants nothing to do with me and his 2 grown boys. He has a new girlfriend . He said he’s happy with her because she doesn’t ask about his past or how much money he has. He is in his own fantasy world. I feel sorry for her.
He started sleeping with me and I again was lied to. I told her about it but low and behold she is still with the pathetic liar.
I guess what hurts the most that I feel I have for been a victim all these years of lies and will never know if he ever loved me. That he only used me because I financially took care of him and I have 2 boys with him. He couldn’t care anything about. I will heal but it feels good to talk about it.
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I was in love with a guy who was a compulsive liar. He would lie about everything. He had a low self esteem and i think thats what made his condition worse .
For the frst 3 weeks we were in lovehis parents told me that he is a liar but I didnt actually know or ask more about it. i think somehow it was a warning. When we were dating he would lie about everything to anyone from his friends,family and to people he dont even know just to get that attention.
Sometimes he would lie and I would have to cover his lies when hes was kinda caught. All his friends and colleagues knew that we were married even though were were not. He told people that he paid my parents R108 000 for lobola. Told people that heactually bought me a car that hehas never bought. Told people that he bought a house for us somewhere.
He would even tell people that he bought a R3 000 000 plot for himself. He would avoid friends when he doesnt have money and tell them hes out of town. The reasonfor thatwas he has already given people an image of what he is not. So when hes broke he wouldnt want to see himself around people because they would see that he was broke.
He would tell people that he is waiting for a car that is actually not even at the factory. I would approach him and tell him that hes lying sometimes and he would become offended and would want to beat me up. He would take pictures of some people’s houses and expensive cars and post them on facebook and tell them its his.
My God !He would lie even about something small. He would buy every friend or anyone expensive alcohol and when he does not have money hides himself and tell the very same people that hes out on business. He loved to be seen with people with money. He would introduce me even not face to fave with people who are very wealthy and tell me that they are relating.
Im glad Im out of his life .But he still lies even now to people he lives around. I realised late what his mom and dad actually told me about him. His dad hated his lies to such an extent that they were not even talking for almost a year.I think he needs help. I have asked to his cousin but his cousin would just laugh about it when i tell her that his brother is a compulsive liar and he needs psychological help.
I think I might have this problem I got dignonosed with depression a couple of months ago and now about to lose my home for the second time through depression not looking for a job and has totally interested in everything any way last year I lost a job and told everyone I was still working but I wasent paying my rent and lost my home, and ended up back at my mother’s house 6 months later I managed to find some wear to live but again lied about having a job to get the property and manage to scrap the money together for a couple of months rent but now im facing eviction again through lies iv even lied to people around me about why I’m facing eviction again and told them completely different storey another loss of lies and now are feeling suicidal cause i feel like a faliur to my child. I’m not a bad person and don’t cheet or hurt people but I just don’t know how to get out of this cycle of telling lies. Iv lost a few friends with the lieing but it’s not like I make a big fabrication up about my life, it’s just the lieing to people about my house twice I have done this and I don’t know why I’m doing it again and facing evication again we are sup to learn from our misrakes but Iv not and reading this tonight had really helped me realise I have a problem. I don’t want to lose my home again I feel like a bad mum to my child for putting him through this again but I carnt stop lying so I need to get help but I don’t know how. Iv been thinking about killing my self cause i don’t know what to do about the lies and the guilt about losing another home has made me feel guily towards my child.
Sorry for the spelling mistake and bad grammar I was really tired when I posted this.
How do we know the people who say they are compulsive liars aren’t lying?
I fear that my 15 year old son has this disorder. He’s always lied ever since he was little, even when it was easily proven that he was lying. He would stick to his story eventually admitting that he had indeed lied. He always seemed remorseful, though. Recently he’s taken to lying about things that other people have allegedly said but the things that he claims people have said are just too far-fetched to be true so when he’s told that he’s not believable, he simply shrugs it off by saying “that’s what I THOUGHT they said”. I’m extremely concerned. He now doesn’t seem to care that he’s lied or gotten caught or that his lies are now about things that other people have said. I’m devastated and extremely worried that he’ll make up a lie about something that someone said and get himself into big trouble.
I have been married for 3 years and now have a gorgeous 2 year old daughter.
My husband has always “fibbed” about the odd thing but recently, and after 10 years together, the lies have become unbearable. I am literally exhausted from over analysing everything he says, checking up on him and more often than not finding out he was untruthful. I had no idea this was a disorder until I read this thread and I have to say, I now feel sick. The only way out of this is treatment which we can barely afford.
He has offered to leave as he says that he feels it’s for the best, but I am so desperate to keep our family together. I’m just not sure if I’m strong enough to carry on this battle when it is so detrimental to me and my daughter.
I have recently in a similar situation. I have been 28th my husband for 4 years we have a 3 year old son. My husbands lies and deception ruined my credit. I almost lost my home. Everything I check on is a lie or fabrication. The worst part is that I believed him over my 17 year old son, and now am estranged from my son. I have asked him to leave and will be seeking a divorce as I try to save my home
My credit and my family.
I have a 10 year old boy who lies about everything from the smallest thing to a big things. He has a compulsive behavior to take things, hide things and or stealing. He has no emotions of his consequences as to reasoning behind what he has done. It’s very scary to witness how easily he will lie or take things and try to explain what has happened. The fact that he does something every other day with no remorse or care is quite frightening to say the least. My wife and I fear that he is headed down a bad road of this. He has had a psychological evaluation done as well. on top of all this he suffers from seizures too. So I truly feel that there is a chemical imbalance going on in his brain. This is causing alot of stress on my self and our family.
my boyfriend lies about pretty much everything, but they are such unrealistic lies. he told me he makes famous music, that he was born in a different country, he had a $100,000 GTR that he illegally raced, hes traveled all over the world, famous people call/text him, hes dated models, he does underground fighting. (hes only 20 years old). i have confronted him and he confessed about a couple of them but the rest of it he just argues with me over and over about how he isnt lying and how it really happened. he even gives me little details about these fake stories to try and make me believe him. hes the nicest guy i have ever met, but his lies are so much to handle. i personally have depression and anxiety so i understand how mental disorders work. im trying to understand him. i know he doesnt mean anything by it, but i cant really believe anything he tells me. i hate it so much. i have never felt so hurt by someone before.
I was so glad to find this article. And the number of responses shows that this is a very real, serious condition. I spent 5 years with a man who lied so much it ultimately ended our relationship. At first he lied about his entire background and his family. While we were together, he lied about things he did and said, he lied to my son and my daughter, he lied to our business associates, he lied to his parents and his brother. For a long time, I did not recognize this as a mental condition, and made excuses for it because he was so charismatic and knew how to enthuse me while he was doing all this lying. As I started to uncover many of his lies, I was so angry and I felt violated. I grew more and more distrusting of him to the point where I hardly believed anything he told me and spent a great deal of time trying to find out the truth about everything. It became a lifestyle. When I realized how sick I had become because of this, I decided I deserved a better life. I also came to realize after confronting him about these lies, that I am not a professional psychologist and I cannot “fix” him. So I knew I had to get away from him. Because we were intertwined in a business together, and living together, it took me a full year to get out of the relationship. Since I have separated from him, I am beginning to heal from the pain and suffering all the lying caused. It was more than just pain and suffering, it was mental and emotional abuse. I also lost a lot of money and my credit is ruined. When you believe someone who lies to you on a regular basis, you become a victim and a codependent. Many people who live with a liar are in denial about the problem and make excuses for their behavior. And that is part of the problem. I strongly encourage anyone who is having this experience to take it seriously. A liar will do a lot of damage to you if you continue to put up with it. The liar must be confronted. And if they do not want to change their behavior, you must separate from them. Then you can heal, and rebuild. Stop being a victim and take your experience as an opportunity to help others that are suffering in the same way.
Today me and the 2 of my friends found out that our other friend of one year has told us countless lies and told lies about us to her boyfriend which we also found out today that he was her boyfriend allthough he was in our class she pretended like she hated him and only mentioned that he was intersted in her and he botherd her in uni.this girl is the top of our class and studies very hard and seems like the nicest girl ever.eventhough the 4 of us are friends she never opened up about much and specialy recently wanted to be alone.last year which was the first year of uni she told us that she and a boy from a family friend were in a relationship and last summer they broke up but her boyfriend told us that it was him all along(and he proved us with screenshots and…) and that she told lies about us to him and told him that she hates us and alot of ather lies about others and her self and a few days ago we found out that she is getting married to some one else(we live in a triditional country). we have a very hard time understanding her.as i said she seems like the nicest and purest girl ever.we all feel hurt and betrayed she told us lies that wrongly made us hate some people like she would tell stories of how a guy that we knew and was in a relationship approched her.i think she does it all for attention.
I just want to come out and say that I am a liar. I have lied about everything for as long as I can remember.
I think my problems started when I was little. I was sexually abused by my grandfather for years until he finally died when I was about to start high school. I always had to lie about what was going on. Even when he died I had to lie about why I didn’t cry when he died. I did tell my husband when we first got together why I was not technically a “virgin”. After that I just kept on lying.
I would lie about anything and everything. I wound up cheating on my husband at one of my jobs. I lied to him about it for awhile, even though it only happened 1 time. When he found out, he hit me. We stayed together even after him hitting me.
Years go by and I am still lying to cover up financial problems. He finds out we are in trouble and he then accuses me of still cheating on him. He beats me bad this time for 2 days. I lied to him that i was still cheating on him thinking that it would make him stop beating me but it didn’t. I was in a hospital for 1 week and then went to a women’s shelter for a week. I go back to him even after all of that.
Few more years go by and I am still lying about the financial problems. When he confronts me this time I leave. I did not want to get beat again. This time I have done some bad things money wise.
I know I need to get help but I am scared. I don’t know if I can be helped. He is still accusing me of cheating on him and that I done everything because I want rid of him to be with the other guy, which is false because I even went as far as to make up a name. (I couldn’t remember the guys name name since it happen once and was over 15 years ago). I need help!! I have such low self esteem about myself. I am always depressed. I have no energy for nothing.
I have one I totally can’t understand. A person that will lie to you about a person, place, thing or event. Absolutely thrives on hatefulness, selfishness and jealousy. Send text messages and lie. When confronted about the text message they deny they sent it. Steal from your home knowing you have a video surveillance system and deny they stole from your home. If anyone gets upset with them for denying that they’re lying they need to go to anger management. Uses the children like ponds and weapons to get back at the person that caught them lying and refuse to give in to them. When their back is against the wall and you try to force them to tell the truth. They run to their safe domain, their parents house.
A psychologist and a psychiatrist would have a field day
My elder Sister has this condition, she has always lied and instantly creates a fantastical version or events often for no apparent reason. It seems to be deeply ingrained into her psyche , she lies about literally everything, She’s had affairs all her life, has total contempt for her beaten down husk of a husband, created a classic golden child narcissistic daughter and scapegoat son who is very good natured with a warm heart but doesn’t yet understand why he has to drink himself half to death every night. Worst of all is the greed and entitlement, she thought she was marrying into money but he turns out to be idiotically bad with money. They’ve lost all their homes from the posh end of town and ended up in a chalet park. Recently our Mother died but thanks to my darling big sis I got deeply hurt when she turned her daughter against me.
She acted despicably over serious legal issues but somehow I ended up the bad guy. I did everything I could and did stop a legal dispute happening and kept my mouth shut through everything ( I could never tell my niece and nephew what really went on). Going through my Mums funeral with brooding dramas all based on my sisters years of divisive fantasies permeating my now only remaining family, was the lowest point in my life. Even my own Mother warned me against how my sister would act I can still hear her saying ” make sure you have your share, I WANT you to have it”.
I still love them , but my sisters constant twisting and remorseless divisiveness has caused so much tension and difficulty since stopping contact my life feels so much better she is such a stressful person to be around in any capacity. I know one thing about her for certain though she will never be happy or genuinely fulfilled and I wish that wasn’t true. Before I stopped contact I told her I know exactly who you are and what you’ve done, she instantly said ” no you don’t !” but she’d already forgotten how much I know about her lies to her husband and children – not my proudest moment but when I threatened to reveal all her deceits, and affairs to her husband she said ” so you want to ruin my life do you ? ” …’ No ” I said I keep my word and I have but after a lifetime of being a loyal and supportive sibling I couldnt resist feeling her squirm for moment over her husband finding out the TRUTH …isn’t it supposed to set you free ? So for all you liars and deceivers you are missing out on real life ! Its you liars who ultimately loose out in the isolation of your own making. Why don’t you do yourselves a favour and get real before you loose people who love you.
My son is 14 and has been lying to me for years from the most minor things to major ones. I looked this site upo in hopes I was blowing things way out of proportion but sadly I see he fits in with a lot of these signs. The only thing different is when pushed into a corner with 100% proof that he is lying he will say well you know anyway so no point him saying so.
I am at my wits end. he has been to social workers and physciatrists for low moods anxiety and depression. I love him dearly but not sure how long his father and I can tolerate his lies. He tells anyone who listens that we don’t love him and only love his sister even though he gets 90% of our attention. When he has a day off school he tells his friends that a friend of his died and was at the funeral. He is a master of the guilts for example this morning he lied to me and got caught so I told him calmly that he was losing his phone and wifi priverledges so he burst into tears and said he felt ashamed I gave birth to him as he is a disappointment. As usual it made me feel sorry for him but I didn’t give in as I know it is a ploy he uses to get things back.
I am just not sure where to turn now as when I have got him help he denies everything. As he is only 14 it scares me what it will be like when he is older.
My husband lies ALL of the time about everything and nothing,it’s gotten so bad even if he was to ever tell the truth,I would still think he is lying.Nobody wants him anywhere around them including me.I turn my phone completely off so he can’t call me,kick him out,or when I have my phone on I don’t respond to any of his texts or calls.He needs alot of help!!!!!!!!!
We are going threw this, with my friend and her son, she lies about being related to a famous president, she even sent her son to school with a family tree and putting his on it, she has lied about her ex husband saying he beat her, saying he threatend to push her down the stairs when she was pregnant, to the point that, that was her validation to take them away from there father, no.warning, no hey I’m leavin, je callled to talk to the kids after they where seperated and his son told him he was somewhere and the phone suddenly hung up and a few weeks later he then got papers saying they now belong to the state of Arizona, on top of all the alligatons she had against him. She took them there with a man she was once with who truly did beat her, and put them in that situation. The kids have been returned to their father, but only becUse the boyfriend left but when it’s bought up by the children, and she is confronted she turns it around and makes it into how horrible it was for her to be there, and no remorse for the fact that the kids are so hurt and so confused by why they where taken, and why there dad wasnt there, to the point she told them he left them. After she returned she tried to do anything to get back with her ex husband, after lying to the courts to get all his rights taken away, and giving herself full power over them. Now the kids have been getting introuble and lying and when bought to her attention, she lies and makes it to be that she is so hurt, and somehow she is the victim, and it’s kinda scary because the kids are so sweet, and so smart bit it’s almost like she trained specially her son to lie, and not want to be a outstanding citizen. She tells everyone he has add even tried getting him checked by numerous doctors because she felt his lying and lack of caring and at the age of 8 lack of wanting kids to be that he has asbergers! It’s so depressing becAuse there is no end in site. I try and be very not judgmental, but its hard!!! I see both of the kids taking on her trates, from playing the victim, to blaming other people for very serious issues, to being ok with not achieving in life, and to allowing the son to not want to do better in life. He is in 7th grade, and she has gotten him to need someone to monitor him in school all day, he can’t even function without someone putting his stuff in his folder for him, but when her daughter lies or messes up, it’s always ok because she did it when she was her age. I am very close to both parents, and it’s very hard to see their father, who was accused of being abusive, who accused of being a horrible father, when she in fact always has had bad things to say about the son.. This man is the greatest father I have ever seen, I can remember him trying to find them, and she only letting him talk to them when she deamed necessary, and demanded the father treat the boyfriend with respect, and once she left the boyfriend she tried to make her cry to her ex husband about how horrible it was for her out there, saying how abusive he was, and how scared for her life she was. The boyfriend also was liar, and she even justified taking them as they are young enough to be ok. And tried to erase the father from their life. People around her see her for who she is, and tells her kids that people don’t like her because of bogus reasons, and makes herself the victim! So now with both kids lying, one failing school, and both feeling they don’t need to respect authority, it’s very hard to see two beautiful kids going down this road. I have tried to plea with her, and have begged her to stop, but there is always a excuse as to why she does it, and it’s just getting sickening. I will help anyone, and have so much compaction for everyone, but it’s really to the point that it’s sickening, something about always being the victim is just annoying!!! Thank you listening, venting really helps.
I’ve had this problem with my mother all my life. Now elderly, I go to help her and she’s all sweetness to my face, but behind my back she tells people I’m after her money and that I want to clear her flat. I have never asked her for money and she admits this when I tell her off for lying. But she still spreads the lies. What disgusts me even more is that she plays in her church band and they all think she’s wonderful and believe her and think bad of me when I’m a decent person. I can’t carry on any more. I’ve had enough. I don’t deserve to be treated like that. She knows she’s lying, but I think she’s addicted to the sympathy she gets for these wild stories, and can’t stop now. I told her that the sympathy she gets from her gullible friends is more important to her than her own daughters. Very sad.
I have a 14 year old daughter that this describes completely. It has gotten so bad that she believes her own lies. And the stuff that she lies about is so trivial. She also steals compulsively. Stuff that if she would just simply ask me for I would give her. I wouldn’t care. Then she tries to tell me that she didn’t know what she was doing was stealing even though I have explained to her on more than one occasion that if it doesn’t belong to her and she takes it to keep without the owners permission it is stealing. The lying has gotten so bad that she claimed that her phone was hacked so she wouldn’t get caught (she gave herself away) texting this overbearing and possessive 15 year old boy that claimed he had been shot 16 times in the last 3 months. She tells me that she forgets things that I know good and well that she didn’t forget but is only saying it to get herself out of “trouble” (usually just a scolding until she lies to me) for not doing something that she was told to do such as taking something to the trash cans outside or something as minor as that. I love her very much but am so frustrated as she doesn’t care who she hurts in the process of her lies and stealing. I know she has an illness but something has to give. She hasn’t been abused or neglected or anything to the like although she will tell people she has been to get them into trouble. The things that she does and for no reason as all is mind-boggling. I asked the court for help, have filed 3 unruly petitions against her and each time she has pulled the wool over the judges eyes enough to keep her from getting sent to juvenile detention. She says that she tries to do better but then after a couple of days she just goes back to the same old habits but she doesn’t even make an attempt. It’s so frustrating to the point that I just don’t know what to do. She has even set it up to get me into trouble because of her lies. Extremely frustrating. I love her and will never turn my back on her because I know what it feels like but it doesn’t change the fact that she has hurt me to the point that I have to verify everything that she says because I just don’t believe her anymore.
I am one of these lying people.
And although completely conscious of lying right at the moment I am fabulizing, about everything, I seem not to be able to stop. To never stop, even though I have ended up completely and utterly alone.
I DO NOT BELIEVE MY OWN LIES. I know I am lying.
I am 54 years old and have been told by the best woman I have ever met that I have Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and am Bipolar…. She’s an expert in the field
Evidently, I have lost her and caused great harm to her.
It may sound harsh but she’s absolutely right…. I am sick.
My message is, suggest treatments, give ideas, see if you can help..
Most of us, the sick, want help, it is just too scary to go out in the open and say… I AM SICK AND I HURT PEOPLE. HELP ME.
Anonymity may be the way for people like me. Perhaps.
Reading these posts weighs heavy on my heart. All this drama and heartache. Broken families and relationships. Lost opportunities, ruined memories, stolen childhoods, innocent victims. And for what? Seriously, for WHAT? My daughter has been lying and stealing as far back as I can remember now. And she’s not ahead in life, she’s way behind. She’s accomplished absolutely nothing but destruction. She has not advanced herself, she doesn’t look important or special, she has not achieved more LIKES on FB than any normal person. No one trusts her and she has taken from me, her own mom, every single thing I ever worked for or loved in addition to destroying my reputation. A child who was never even spanked, never called a name, thoroughly wanted, valued, and cherished. I still remember my whole self lighting up like a Christmas Tree when she walked into the room. I always told her “I don’t just love you but I really like you!” and I did. With my whole heart. She was always close to her Dad but was with me the majority of time (divorced) growing up. He had the money and the trips to Disney though, I had the mortgage, food, clothing, sports, dance, etc. My parents were also a big help and she was incredibly close to them. My Dad passed away when she was 14. From college on she was an entirely different person, seething with hostility toward me and I never knew why. Truly, no idea. I beat myself up for YEARS believing I must have done something so horrible to make her so angry. Finally, after I asked her in an email why she was always so angry with me, her response was “because I’m an only child and you don’t have a partner which means I’ll have to take care of you when you’re old”. Keep in mind, I’ve never asked her for anything and I’ve never been sick. She lives 10 hours away. WTH? I was invited to the wedding but shunned from her shower, Shunned at the wedding, excluded from the birth of my Grandson (all other parents were invited), why? Because she told everyone I stole her identity and opened up credit cards. I did no such thing, she did it and didn’t want to take the blame. She stole thousands from my mother for rent, plane tickets, $130 sneakers. Stole $800 from a customer at work and was fired. Opened a GoFundMe for Christmas presents for kids that went into her pocket. Honestly I could go on for days. To the outer world she is so pretty, bubbly, always happy and incredibly sweet. Actually, that’s how I saw her too. The last time I heard from her was a note that said “I’m sorry, I’m so sorry for everything” then two lines down she says “I forgive you”. Passive/aggressive.
Today we have no relationship. My choice. I finally broke. There was nothing left for her to take, I certainly had nothing left to give. Over the years she even contributed to my losing my home that I worked so incredibly hard for and lived in for 15 years.
She cries tears, for herself. She called my mom the other day bragging about saving $6000 – four months ago she was asking us all for money. And if she really has saved $6000, why not pay back the thousands she stole?
I miss my little Velcro pal. I miss the person I thought she was. There wasn’t a single day for close to TEN YEARS that I didn’t cry my eyes out. Every morning I put on my make-up and by the time I got to work, I had cried it all off. And for 10 years she was on FB bragging to everyone about what they had, where they went, racking up those all important “likes”. I’m not on FB, tried it for a month around 8 years ago, and saw how phony it all was.
I finally understood she would never change. And I let go. I pray for God to bless her and watch over her every single day. I want nothing but her happiness and well-being, but not at my expense anymore. She can lie, steal, and abuse someone else. I’m out.
To those of you who say you can’t stop, you can’t help it, yes you can. People overcome addictions and all kinds of struggles every single day. I’ve been sober for 30+ years. I know and understand the challenge, the struggle, the shame, the guilt (if you feel any), but what’s the alternative? To continue down your destructive path? To gain friends just to lose them? To impress people who could really care less?
Every single time you lie, it’s like punching someone. You don’t see the cuts and bruises but they’re there. I was SHATTERED for 10 years and I’m just now starting to heal. I lost everything, even my grandson, and I never did anything. NOTHING. But here I am, so she could get her likes and feel special.
If you do not do the work to change yourself, nothing will change. And yes, it’s going to be a lot of work and it’s going to be hard and you’ll want to give up. But……………living with all the lies you tell and the people you’re hurting (including yourself) is much harder.
For those, like me, being lied to and about, cut your losses. Take care of yourself, protect yourself, it’s not your fault. You owe them nothing.
Merry Christmas everyone.
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